Are Mormons Christians?http://www.carm.org/lds/mormon_beliefs.htm
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13 Comments on “Are Mormons Christians?http://www.carm.org/lds/mormon_beliefs.htm”
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July 21, 2008 at 6:14 pmJust like every anti-Mormon site I have read, the comments here are not always accurate and in fact are misleading. You can go to http://mormonthing.wordpress.com/ and I will address many of these myths about Mormons.
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July 21, 2008 at 9:42 pmhottub,
Why are the Mormons a CULT? Well, one reason is because they always seem to know just one more secret than everybody else. That is always one of the red flags ( secret knowledge)
And if people get too much knowledge their prophet just makes more secrets.I was asked by a Mormon once , ” Don’t you believe there can be prophets today?” I responded, ” Yes, false prophets that would have been stoned in Israel!”
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July 22, 2008 at 9:33 pmbp
1.Who is Jesus? Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God. We believe in the New Testament Jesus. 2.What did he do? Chrsit sacrificed Himself on our behalf. His atonement brought about mankind’s salvation. 3. Is salvation a gift apart from works? Yes.I am surprised you don’t know more about us bp.
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July 23, 2008 at 2:55 amBill
If you can, please take my e-mail address off the header. I get 200 spams a day and posting it makes it worse. The spiders or whatever pick it up. You know the rest.
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July 23, 2008 at 1:01 pmBill
I have read many of your comments. I notice you tend to demonize Mormons rather than discuss theological differences. Demonizing I think plays into Satan’s hand. It drives us apart. I suggest there is a better way. We can discuss doctrine and history without the name calling and still accomplish Christ’s goals of bringing people together. Doing so raises the level of discourse and I think allows us to invite the presence of the Holy Ghost to enhance the experience.The thing you seem to focus on is Joseph Smith. As a life long Mormon and I think somewhat well read, I don’t know enough about Joseph to make the leaps you and others do. Much of the information available is tainted therefore unreliable although many diaries and journals seem straightforward enough when taken en masse. There are as many people speaking on Joseph’s behalf as there are those attacking him. So as I read the record, I don’t yet clearly understand what happened let alone believe I am able to come to an honest conclusion. I acknowledge my bias, but I am not blinded by it. I can be corrected. But I have heard all the arguments pro and con and am not convinced. I doubt you can add anything I haven’t already heard or read. Even so, given the dark side of Christianity is the base, I wonder if an individual’s personal behavior is sufficient foundation on which to postulate a theory. In other words, does it really matter?
When we look back on Catholicism, for example, do the excesses of the Spanish Inquisition bear on today’s Church? Does the Baptist and Presbyterian support of slavery and genocide mean we can’t look to the modern Church for leadership? Does the behavior of current pastors who support the Ku Klux Klan mean Evangelicals have no voice worth listening to? I think if we kick everybody out who has sinned or made a mess of his personal life there would be no one left. I believe in holding leadership to a higher standard of course but the evidence has to be has to be unimpeachable too. The case against Joseph Smith does not rise to that level. When acknowledged scholars on all sides come to a mutual agreement over time I will consider the case sufficiently resolved for me too. Anything short of that is just propaganda.
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July 24, 2008 at 4:00 pmI am curious to know why those who are self appointed, without training and claim no scholarship abilities think anyone should give head to their understanding of scripture and its nuances. For example, is it important to know whether 1st Timothy was actually written by Paul or someone else? Without training how would they know and why would they care? Those who claim the Holy Spirit guides them will as often as not claim scripture says one thing and another self appointed “pastor” says just the opposite. It seems to me it becomes a big free-for-all. “Pastors” say what ever strikes their fancy and claim God told them. This confusion can not be the way God really runs the universe. Maybe that is why so many people are abandoning so many churches and falling attendance is such a big issue. Maybe the problem isn’t with apostatizing members but apostatizing leadership. It sure sounds like the fox is in the hen house and I don’t think it is the chicken’s fault.
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July 24, 2008 at 6:56 pmBill
By differentiating feeling from sensing a presense in ones mind you are very close to describing the LDS experience. We must be having similar experiences. Although some people describe it as a feeling or emotion I hear others describe it like you do. Your description is what I sense too. It is like a small quiet voice prompting me what to say or do. It as a thought being planted. Sometiomes the thought may provoke an emotion such as sense of relief after being told good news after you expected bad. More often it is just a powerful impression. Often it is a sense of intelligence that isn’t there otherwise. In my experience I just sense that something is right or wrong. Good post Bill. I learned something about you today.
The LDS do indeed believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers (or half-brothers). From this theological point of view, it makes the both of them equal. that means either Jesus has been relegated to the position of a creature or Satan has been placed in the position of a god. Either way this theological concept is entirely outside any Christian belief.Also the Mormons (LDS) believe that God the Father had relations with Mary and that she is His concubine, not His wife, of which He supposedly has many. It is also believed by the Mormons (LDS) that Jesus Himself has many wives; among them are Mary and Martha (the sisters of Lazarus) and Mary of Magdala (Mary Magdalene).There are many other teachings of the LDS that are not concistent with Christian belief. Ask a Mormon about the planet KOLOB, or about their three “heavens” (terestial, telestial & celestial). What about the ever changing and evolvong doctrines of the LDS?Maybe the next time Elders Jim and Tom come to your door you can ask them these questions, or more.
Paul,
That’s sick,but you are correct.Hardly anybody knows or believes the teachings of the Mormon cult.Our physician in N.C. was a devout Mormon and my wife and I benefited from his care and compassion.Sadly,no one.Mormons or Baptists can earn their way to heaven.
A question that I ask when Mormons who come to my door is this:Is salvation a gift of God–plus nothing…minus nothing?Of course they do not believe that it is a gift..apart from works.I think it is a waste of time to discuss anything further.Recently I told two Mormons that I could not change their minds and they could not change mine so lets not waste our time.I admire their persistence and they should make terrific sales persons because of their tenacity.
Many years ago our pianist in the church where I was the pastor was dating a Mormon.I counseled her on the dangers of dating and marrying a Mormon.She broke off the relationship.A year or so later she reconciled with the Mormon.when asked why…she replied..every Baptist I dated tried to get in my pants.
I would like to write this article for those who may stumble upon this site and be mislead about mormons. It is funny how people pick bits and pieces of the church and twist and turn them into false statements or rumors. It will be never ending, it gets passed from person to person. The most important thing to ask yourself is…Why is the mormon church the only church that people spend so much time trying to refute. Was it not the same when Christ came to this earth and oh how the Jews hated him, oh how people despised him, why?… because he was truth, he was pure, and he was salvation. Is it not obvious where Satan spends his time in these days, he turns all his efforts against the mormon church, not the catholics, protestants or baptists, but the mormons why?…Truth, purity, and salvation! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the restored church of our lord and savior.
Oh and by the way, the comments made in the first article are those things passed from person to person and are false. But you would have to go to church to find that out for yourself.
Three questions for Mormons and other “false”cults.
1.Who is Jesus Christ?
2.What did He do?(Accomplish on the cross)
3.Is eternal salvation a gift of God..minus nothing…plus nothing?
bp